Jody: How much is there really discussion over, say. Hottentotti's grade on this forum?
Could the lack of discussion about Hottentotti's grade be because hardly anybody has climbed it. I cannot look at a problem and generate an opinion about its grade, if you can then you are a better man than me.
I can't see any... The discussion is most hectic on lower grades, thanks to Toby amongst others
I dont understand the problem with hectic discussion (not that this discussion is in anyway hectic), is it in anyway preventing you from discussing your more 'important' topics.
I don't mean to say it's wrong or stupido to carry on this chit-chat, but as olli put it, most of the well seasoned climbers in this country, olli and his likes, just don't do it on forums. And they don't even do it while climbing or over the beer. They just climb, and rate routes and problems rather by they beauty than pure difficulty.
Well bully for them, your depiction of the 'pure' climber nearly brought a tear to my eye. Just because some climbers choose not concern themselves with grades (fine by me) doesnt mean that others cannot. To choose climbs solely based on there grade is daft but on the other hand to say grades mean nothing is naive. Top end climbers can afford to ignore grades because they do not run the risk of just turning up at a crag/boulder and finding out that there is no routes/problems that they can climb (a risk for low to medium grade climbers such as myself).
I personally neither like nor dislike discussions on grades what I am offended by is the idea that those that choose not to discuss grades are in some way better climbers than those that do.
Olli: Yeap, Usually its the easiest way up but with this problem it was tricky to tell since the continued traverse looked like an obvious line and it had chalk on it where as the other line did not.
Slouppi does do a good job of keeping tads on new climbing areas it has to be said.
In my humble opinion using stars as a means to choose what problems to climb is not the best system. Whether a probelm is good or not depends so much on the climber, not only his/her height and style but also his/her ( I wish english had a word for 'Han') personality. By concerntrating on problems with stars you run the risk of ignoring hidden classics.