On 2003-08-08 15:38, MRoutsi wrote:
Why don't you just take a brush and clen it! Same applies to this Olhis-guy - no point just whinge about dirt!
Is the heat starting to get to you? I suggest a cool drink and sitting in the shade... By the way, who is "this Olhis-guy?"
You missed my point completely. First of all, we have in effect cleaned all the routes we've led at Haukankallio, just by climbing them. Just to place the gear you need to clean the cracks out and brush the worst of the dirt off the holds before holding/standing on them. Suuri Leikaus and Kampa are both reasonably clean anyway, although we cleaned the cracks out a bit more. Nak Nak was dirty but the other guy who led it, plus me and my partner's ascent took a lot of the dirt off it. One guy also climbed Vaellus, and judging by the amount of crap raining down on his belayer, he was doing a good job of cleaning that.
Do you really think there's some cleaningpatrol going about just to make your life easier? If you fancy some abandonded craggs and routes, you got to pay the price!!
Of course not. I just wondered why they are 'abandoned'? People are forever moaning about there not be that much climbing in Finland, but you have 30 metre high crags, less than an hour from Helsinki that very few people visit. But drive past Rollarit on any sunny summers night and there will be cars there, some times a dozen or more. Same for Nuuksio. Those routes get polished, whilst other routes disappear under the dirt.
In past summers I've cleaned virtually all the routes at Tussinkoski and given them roughly accurate grades, and put the info here on Sloppi. But I don't think I've ever met another climber there. So the routes get dirty again. Climbs don't need a "cleaning patrol", they just need people to do them to keep them clean. I used to think that maybe these routes just aren't the type that people are interested in (easy to mid-grades, trad) but there the popularity of similar routes at Rollarit and Jaanankallio (even Olhava) seems to suggest this isn't the case. Perhaps people just like to climb in a social atmosphere with other climbers about?