sari nevala wrote:
Tässä muuten linkki erääseen hienoon draikka-mestaan - jossa minäkin olen aikoinani aloittanut draikkaamisen: http://whitegood.blogspot.com/
I believe White Goods was called white goods because of the number of old fridges and washing machines that had been thrown into it, before climbers came along and actually cleaned the place up before creating the routes!
There's now a couple of other bolted dry tooling venues in the UK beyond Newtyle and White Goods - all in old quarries (or sectors of quarries) with no history of trad or sport routes. In some of the places the climbers have done really good work cleaning up lots of trash, but still other UK climbers are still dead against dry tooling anywhere. It does now though seem pretty clear that they are helping to take 'real' winter climbing in the mountains to new levels.
One sort of problem in part coming from this is that as winter climbers are getting stronger climbing radically overhanging routes like those at Newtyle, people are looking for similarly steep trad winter routes in the mountains. And when the routes are really overhanging it's hard to find them white with hoar frost or wind blown snow that is the normal sign of being "in condition" for less steep stuff. Then others climbers criticize saying it wasn't 'really' in condition. Dave Macleod got some stick for this on his route on Ben Nevis, Anubis, https://www.scottishclimbs.com/wiki/Int ... _of_Anubis
and its just happened again in the English Lake District this week with Paddy Cave's new grade IX.